Curse

Gigamaster89 · Apr 14, 2006, 07:55 AM // 07:55

I realized that there is already one but I felt like posting this anyway since I'm bored. I've been on Guild Wars all day today, did Troll runs for the first time (52 runs) and worked with windows movie maker for the first time, decided to type, and came up with this.

Why farm mountain trolls:
It's EASY.
Your looking for money.
Your looking for max Fellblades/Axes/etc.
Your looking to unlock various weapon upgrades.
Does not require expensive equipment.
You want to do short runs yet make a profit at the same time.
Because you can.

Requirements:
Droknar's Forge
W/Mo Level 20
An Axe
Drok's Armor
Attention span
Skills listed

The Outfit:
An axe with preferably max damage. Mods doesn't matter much for this build, although it DOES help.
Shield doesn't matter, but the better...the better. If you don't have an uber shield (which probably explains why your reading this), I recommend the Crimson Carapace Shield, which can be acquired from Lord Dorn Lendrigen, north of Thirsty River for 2 Bleached Shells. (will cost you 2k max from other players.)
Full Drok's Armor. Preferably Full Gladiators (energy boost) along with Ascalon OR Knight's Boot. Socket everything with runes if you can,

Budget
- Major Vigor
- Major Absorption
- Minor Tactics
- Minor Strength
- Minor Swordsmanship

Rich (why are you farming? XD)
- Superior Vigor
- Superior Absorption
- Minor Tactics
- Minor Strength
- Minor Swordsmanship

You can sup. every rune although I don't know how the HPs will work out.

The Outfit [Further Testing]:

Socket a Superior Tactics rune for max tactics.

Skills:

- Cyclone Axe - Your main farming/damaging/leeching skill, hitting everything at once is the point of this build.
- Executioner's Strike - To pick off single targets should you need to, and as a skill you can use while Cyclone is charging.
- Bonetti's Defense - Use when Gladiator is recharging, used to replenish energy. Keep in mind that if you use a skill, this ends.
- Gladiator's Defense [E] - Keep this up ALWAYS when avaliable, your main damage source.
- Sprint - To aggro and run to location, not really necessary.
- Vigorous Spirit - Cast this whenever you cast Gladiator's, the recharge on Glads and this both ends at the same time.
- Live Vicariously - Keep up at all times, with Vig Spirit and the stats listed below, your gaining 20HP PER hit, and Cyclone hits 6-12 times...most of the time.
- Defensive Stance - Back-up, used when your Cyclone Axe gets interupted and neither of your 2 defense skills is ready.

*Shield Stance/Wary Stance/Disciplined Stance can work as well in place of Defensive Stance.
*To the Limit can take place of something as well, helps charge up Bonetti's.
*You can replace Executioner's with another offensive spell if you like.
*Mending works nicely as well.

Skills [Further Testing]:
Defensive Stance --> Shield Stance - You can cyclone while this is up and this will now be incorporated into the build for main use.

Vigorous Spirit --> Balthazar's Spirit - Adrenaline AND Energy so you can use Shield Stance instead of Bonetti's. The extra healing helps but can be neglected, with this, you have less chance of being interupted and more chance of Cyclone-ing without getting killed.

Stats:
- 9 Healing Prayers
- 10 Axe Mastery
- 10 Tactics

The 30 Pts. from the two attribute quests were NOT included. Those can be placed at where ever your heart desires.

Stats [Further Testing]:
- 8 Healing Prayers
- 8 Strength
- 8 Axe Mastery
- 12 Tactics

This includes the points from the attribute quests, less healing but more damage. With equipment, tactics should be maxed out, allowing max damage and time from Gladiator's Defense.

To Get There:
1. Get out of Droknar's Forge and into Talus Chute.
2. Cast Live Vicariously. (you can cast it later, doesn't really make a difference.)
3. Sprint
4. Hug the left wall, keep going until you see an opening on the left to the cave.
5. Ignore the monsters on your way. You can lead the trolls outside inside with you if they are seperate, but make sure you lose the Avicaras. Use Sprint if necessary.
6. Run into the cave, aggro the huge group (generally 6-12) and go all the way to the top until you gather all the trolls together (not the bosses), you should now have a group of ~10-16 trolls depending on how it spawned.

To Get There [Further Testing]:
Cast Balthazar's Spirit when you leave town, cast Live Vicariously when your at the entrance of the cave or while your slap Gladiator's Defense on.

To Kill Them:

1. Cast Live Vicariously if you haven't already.
2. Cast Gladiator's Defense right when everything is starting to surround you.
3. Vigorous Spirit.
4. Target the closest troll (Hit C)
5. Cyclone Axe, your Adrenaline should have instantly maxed out (if there is more than 6 trolls.)
6. Hit the targeted troll with your offensive skill (Executioner's)
7. Gladiator's should be blinking now, cast Bonetti's Defense.
8. Cyclone Axe, doing so will end Bonetti's.
9. Re-Cast Bonetti's.
10. Cyclone, repeat Cyclone -> Bonetti's -> Cyclone until Gladiator's Defense is ready.
11. Repeat step 2 and up until all of them are dead.

*Never cast anything else during Bonetti's besides Cyclone unless your 100% positive you can survive.
*Have a defense up at ALL time! (Glads/Bonettis/Defensive)

To Kill Them [Further Testing]:

[Baltazar's Spirit should be up already]

1. Gladiator's Defense
2. Live Vicariously if you didn't before you aggro.
3. Cyclone Axe
4. Cyclone Axe
5. Shield Stance
6. Cyclone Axe
7. Cyclone Axe
8. Cyclone Axe
9. Gladiator's Defense
10. Cyclone Axe
11. Cyclone Axe
12. Bonetti's Defense
13. Cyclone Axe
14. Bonetti's Defense
15. Cyclone Axe
16. Bonetti's Defense
17. Cyclone Axe
18. Gladiator's Defense
19. Cyclone Axe/Executioner's Strike the rest

The End:
- Pick up all items
- ID everything
- Salvage all Raven Staffs EXCEPT for:
>Good mods/rune
>Precious mod
- Salvage everything else that you do not wish to keep for Iron Ingots and Wood Planks, occasionally Steel Ingots and various crap.
- Sell Wood Planks and Iron Ingots to others for 10G per.
- Sell all Mountain Troll Tusks to others for AT LEAST 20G per, if you feel like running to the collectors and make it 25G per, be my guest, but the time spent doing so, you would have made much more farming trolls.

Conclusion:

~Roughly 3 minutes a run.
~About 600G MINIMUM per run from profit after salvaging and selling to others.
~168XP per troll meaning a good 2000XP or so per run, alot more with scroll.
~Bring someone along and powerlevel them for 1.5k-2k per skill point. Tell them you get drops and they provide scrolls.
~Have Fun!

More Pictures:

Before
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1450/before5ii.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1130/before28lm.jpg
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4470/before30vb.jpg

In Between
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/8...between6ii.jpg

End
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8049/end8ym.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4265/end26ch.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6269/end30rr.jpg

Don't try this!
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9...trythis3do.jpg

Video
http://www.filefactory.com/?088342

Video [Further Testing]

http://www.filefactory.com/?19d55c

Enjoy, or not.

Undead Preacher · Apr 14, 2006, 08:06 AM // 08:06

Nice Guide.... but IMO Trolls drops are VERY bad... I know cuz I power LVL people with my 55 monk in the troll cave... and its VERY VERY seldom you'll get a good drop!

but still a very nice guide

Shadow-Hunter · Apr 14, 2006, 08:42 AM // 08:42

The trolls can give some quick, and easy money... ofc you dont earn that much but if you are low on the cash and dont have the gold to make a 55 monk and then go UW, then slap some stuffs on the War you have and go kill some trolls.. fast, easy and a bit of profit.. Also they give nice exp

also the nice looks good..

~Shadow

MirageCloud · Apr 14, 2006, 10:51 AM // 10:51

ALWAYS have 16points in tactics.

Shadow-Hunter · Apr 14, 2006, 11:06 AM // 11:06

umm... 16 points why?.. And why allways?.. Think it would be pretty sucky to have 16 point tactic in pvp.... could you explain why 16 points there and why you allways should have it..

~Shadow

Katari · Apr 14, 2006, 11:47 AM // 11:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow-Hunter

umm... 16 points why?.. And why allways?.. Think it would be pretty sucky to have 16 point tactic in pvp.... could you explain why 16 points there and why you allways should have it..

~Shadow

I think it's painfully obvious that this isn't PvP. Regargless, 16 tactics is nice because so much damage is comming from Glad's Defense, why not get all you can out of it?

I'm not convinced so much healing is nessacary, but it certainaly makes the run easier, and that's a good thing, I guess.

lambda the great · Apr 14, 2006, 12:33 PM // 12:33

How come your feet seem so big? look at them, the Gigantic lol. nice guide btw(Hah! High-Council now!)

glountz · Apr 14, 2006, 12:50 PM // 12:50

Some info:
-Mountain trolls drops, as said already, are very very bad. The odds to find max fellblades are close to nothing. The best, after 2-3 runs, you can get from this are dye and Shiverpeaks keys. If you want fellblades, farm avicaras.
-Farm trolls for xp. When you farm a lot, you sometimes fall upon xp scrolls. Keep then until you have some, then farm Mountain trolls, only for xp, with them.
-This build is far from being the most effective, even if it's still okay, not by equipment or attribute points, but by the build. Armor is weak (no boost like Dolyak, the ultimate farming skill), any stance interrupted or error (yes it can happen) will make you die. In addition, relying only on Glads or Cyclone to kill is very long. I find The riposte/deadly riposte build a lot quicker, especially if mixed with Glads. Use the excellent Search button of this forum.
- Don't salvage if you're looking for gold. Instead identify all, even white items, most of time it will raise highly the selling price of the item.
- After 2-3 runs, the only abundant drop will be mountain troll tusks. Keep then until 60-70 of them. Then, go in Snake Dance to find the mountain troll tusk collector (Merin something -by running it's quicker). Beware there is bosses around there. Exchange Tusks for staves, then sell them to a merchant (5 mountain trolls tusks = 40 g, a staff=125 g, you gain 85 g/staff in this trade).

Gigamaster89 · Apr 14, 2006, 01:49 PM // 13:49

EDIT - Disciplined Stance is also a good choice =)

Thanks for the feedback.

EDITED - I'll check out increasing tactics, didn't realize the damage goes over max when >12.

And yeah, I been told me feet was huge, is it the ascalon boots? lol.

Senator Tom · Apr 14, 2006, 01:53 PM // 13:53

base attribs like this
12 tactics, 10 axe, 8 healing
sup tactics, minor axe, etc. they die faster

Iori Shozu · Apr 14, 2006, 05:01 PM // 17:01

Why does everyone feel compeled to play W/Mo. I played through the game with one and found it all unsatisfying and unefficient. You have to spread your skill points out too much for what so you can heal. Well you know you dont have to heal damage that you dont take. If I get bored and want to do trolls, grawls warriors, forgottens, sand worm, avicara fierce, griffons, or minotaurs I much prefer to use a good straight warrior riposte build. 15 Strength 16 tactics a furious sword and a -2 in a stance shield,

run
riposte
deadly riposte
Gladiators defense
shield stance
defensive stance
heal signet
dolyak signet
watch yourself(or sprint)

you take practically no damage and in two cast of gladiators roughly 60 seconds most all warriors should be dead. And it works wonders on bosses

dont feel no pain · Apr 14, 2006, 06:32 PM // 18:32

ok kinda low on everything except health ^_^

Step 1 : take suprior axe mastery and tactics

step 2: lower healing to about 8/7 and take a vampiric axe 15% (while enchated) with cusotmization

step 3: swap defensive stance for watch yourself

Gigamaster89 · Apr 16, 2006, 03:37 AM // 03:37

Further testing shows...

Vigorous Spirit can be replaced for Balthazar's Spirit, this way, vig is gone so you don't have to worry about being interupted and Balthz does help to an extent.

Shield Stance > Defensive Stance, it let's you attack.

serpico · Apr 16, 2006, 08:00 AM // 08:00

Cool video, been working on those myself, not sure about the upload process.
anyway, used your build awhile ago, except used a 3/1 vampric haft i think.

here's a pic of same farming spot, with a test war/ranger build. not nearly as effecitve, but i was just testing out Victory is Mine, just to see if its worth equipping.
i agree with Iori Shozu, riposte build is my favorite and its so strong. 16 in tactics rocks. fun in random pvp as well.

Da Immortal King · Apr 16, 2006, 11:27 AM // 11:27

WOOT! purple raven staff.....

when whuup bumbuul casts frozen soil he stands upright lol

edit: i'd say you can make a living out of this if you stay with it long enough...when you salvage the raven staffs and bows you get alot of wood from it so its not that bad. I made about 750g after 2 runs selling to merchant

Sparhawk Ashaman · Apr 16, 2006, 04:34 PM // 16:34

do you need all of Droks armor to do this? i still need to get plate and gloves but i have all others....im poor as hell....

Da Immortal King · Apr 17, 2006, 01:56 AM // 01:56

lol YESSS gold raven staff this time!!

turned out crap although its OKAY

Edit:i also got a gold spatha it's stats are 15-22 req9 15% while health is below 50%

troll farming aint too bad afterall i've gotten like 3k in 10 runs from selling the weapons they drop

Gigamaster89 · Apr 17, 2006, 02:52 AM // 02:52

I have YET to get a gold raven staff...

I got gold wingblades, tall shields, and various gold axes, some pretty decent. I unlocked ALOT of weapon mods.

Droks armor is more or less necessary considering you will get hit by 25% of the attacks.

Undead Preacher · Apr 17, 2006, 03:54 AM // 03:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da Immortal King

lol YESSS gold raven staff this time!!

turned out crap although its OKAY

Edit:i also got a gold spatha it's stats are 15-22 req9 15% while health is below 50%

troll farming aint too bad afterall i've gotten like 3k in 10 runs from selling the weapons they drop

sorry but IMO 3k in 10 runs is horrible, of coarse the runs are very short...

If you like farming these trolls, 55 it... with either necro,monk or mesmer....
troll cave takes like 2 minutes.... but what makes it more profitable is taking out a bunch of the dang birds also...

if you want to farm for profits sake.... IDS farm... or Ettin Farm..... or Titan Farm... or SOLO FoW.... Troll cave is more for powerleveling...

When I used to IDS farm I averaged like 1 IDS every 3 runs or so.... runs take longer but thats 25k + other drops and chest along the runs... and you usually hit 3+ chest on the way.... and you can also kill the Tundra Giants... got a couple fellblades from them!

AND MAKE SURE to change your farming spots every other run.... Troll drops suck as it is... with anti-farm kicking in I have one thing to say about drops, LMFAO.... I hate powerleveling there... but if i'm gunna farm there to lose anti-farm, might as well make a few k from a customer

mikeydj99 · Apr 17, 2006, 04:44 AM // 04:44

Nub build... One.... The picture that is saying dont try this....ya i do that asleep and clear the whole cave in 2 mins. Two... Whoever said 16 tactics...good job! 16 tactics is the way to go...Three.... Healing Breeze FTW>..screw defensive stance